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This week on the Pivot Podcast:

124: Penney & Jenny Show — Embracing Liminal Space (the In-Between)

Penney and I are back in action, with the 8th (!!) installment of our Penney & Jenny show. This week we dive into why it can be so difficult to embrace liminal space, also known as a transitional state of “in-between.”

Penney equates the liminal space to the time when a caterpillar has created and entered the cocoon, but has not transitioned into a butterfly. It is the space in which we are given the chance to rest, reset, and recharge before moving into the next phase. It sounds lovely when put that way, so why do we often want to rush the process?

Tune into this episode to learn all about why hindering the liminal state is like fighting a tidal wave, and why taking the time to stop is so important to your life, brain, and success.

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About Penney Peirce

Penney Peirce is a gifted intuitive empath and visionary, and one of the pioneers in the intuition development movement. She is a popular author, lecturer, counselor, and trainer specializing in intuition development, “skillful perception,” transformation, and dreamwork.

She is the author of The Intuitive WayFrequencyLeap of PerceptionDream Dictionary for DummiesThe Present Moment, and her latest: Transparency: Seeing Through to Our Expanded Human Capacity.

Topics We Cover

  • [02:34] Penney and I chat about liminal space and needing to step away from projects to gain clarity.

  • [03:39] Penney shares how the downtime after launching her latest book has led into liminal space.

  • [06:17] We define “liminal” and discuss the origin of the word.

  • [11:42] Our left brain associates stopping with loss — which is why taking a break or pausing, spending time in the liminal space feels so counter-intuitive.

  • [13:45] Boredom is a sign that you’ve outgrown your previous career or business incarnation.

  • [16:36] Take the time to consciously enjoy the completion of a project and let it go. 

  • [23:19] The Importance of Endings and the In-Between - check out this piece Penney wrote about intuition and why we should stop avoiding the void (Access the free resource above!)

  • [30:44] Penney had a “goo” state before moving into the liminal space after launching her book. She talks about the different states and how taking the time allowed her to pivot.

  • [34:06] There is a difference between change and transformation and Penney talks about how her liminal space created a feeling of being a stranger in her own life.

  • [37:56] Penney illustrates how spherical perspective and donut-hole perspective and how they affect our lives.

  • [43:05] Acknowledge the liminal state and stop resisting the process. The more you resist, the longer the state seems to last.

  • [47:49] The early stages of the liminal state are to just stop and allow yourself the permission to do nothing, but quickly that will move into the curiosity state and ideas start to flow.

  • [51:59] Allowing yourself to think about the future of your business and the consequences of not taking certain actions helps you realize what is and is not important to your business.

  • [56:30] The liminal state is almost like a bunch of prairie dogs popping up with various options and normally this is the opposite of The Pivot Method, but knowing that there are other possibilities.

  • [1:02:40] Penney asks the listeners to dive into self-entertainment, and stay in the moment. 

  • [1:03:13] What are you wildly curious about? 

Have a question related to this episode, or any in our Penney & Jenny series? Ask away here, in a quick voice note. We look forward to rolling all of your questions together and creating a listener Q&A show soon :)

Embracing Liminal Space + The In-Between

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